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Being Quiet During Church

I'm enjoying Dr. Martyn-Lloyd Jones' biography from Banner of Truth Publishing, and a topic that has come up is the importance of congregants being quiet during a sermon. Throughout history there have been pastors who enjoy people shouting out words of affirmation, they hail it as being spiritually compelled or just based on personality, and since we're all different we can express ourselves differently.

I think the question needs to be, are all actions equal? Most of us would argue not all cultures are equal, so how about this practice of yelling out in church? Is it just as good as the person who quietly takes in the words of the pastor? Is it better? Is it worse?

Here are some thoughts to consider:

  • If it is personality to call out, what is it saying about the personality? On the other hand, if it is a welling up of the Spirit of God, then it can't be controlled and therefore would not be personality driven. This would be sporadic at most I would suggest, and not from the same person. Emotionally driven outbursts would be something that can be controlled, i.e. personality driven; do we think it is ok to be driven by emotions during a sermon? What if someone's emotions lead them to wail loudly or dance in the aisle?  Is it therefore a good personality trait to do what we feel when we're inclined during a sermon?

  • Does everyone benefit from an interruption to what the pastor is saying? Is there not a chance the yelling out breaks a moment of conviction in the mind of someone else or a moment of learning?  If it can, then can we truly say it is just a different but equal way of worshiping? (is an emotionally driven response actual worship, is there a place for it?)

  • What about the pastor's motivation to enjoy or seek out affirmation from his hearers? Can a pastor seek God's approval and man's simultaneously? Should there not be sermons that rub the congregation wrong? Where then would be the proper place for seeking positive shouting out?  

  • Is there pressure to a 'caller out' to do so often because he feels when he is quiet he is then seen as not approving? I'm not intending to say it is easy to speak to a non-responsive crowd. Anyone who has done that knows it is terribly difficult, but a pastor has a special calling, entertainment and the praise of men are not a part of that. To be whimsical at times to impart a biblical truth, sure, but too much jocularity or purposefully using verbal intonation to stir up the crowd seems opposite of the sacredness of handling the Word of Truth. "Can I get an, 'Amen?'". What about waiting to see changed lives or for private thanks?

  • What about those who are thinkers and quiet in personality? Introverts are more the thinkers of our world than extroverts, and there is a place for both, but we must all realize most pastors today are extroverts. It is a wise pastor who understands this reality and protects the introverts in his flock. An introvert is not one that feels moved to call out, which also follows the truth they can be completely thrown off by others yelling out. Is consideration not to be a place in worship? We are not all the same, and I dare say an extrovert exercising self-control and thus denying his urge to yell out is not going to be harmed in the way an introvert, subjected to calling out during every sermon, will be. It may take work for an extrovert to refrain from yelling out when it has become his habit, but we all grow when we deny our fleshly urges.

  • The main point that I'd like people to think about is this: who did God call to preach? So what is it those who yell out are actually doing? They are saying, "YES, listen to that point, I agree with it!" This begs the question to the one calling out, "Who are you?" Is the caller-out God's chosen man to teach and preach? Honestly, does God give congregants any position of authority in the worship service? I go to church hear God's  man, and my feeling is that he does not need anyone's help in making his point. He listened to God and studied, and is delivering what God laid on his heart to bring to us. It is the same as a parent correcting a child when another child chimes in. Does/should any mother need that or want that help?

  • Pride is an unfortunate trait we all struggle with. Could it be that a congregant calling out is seeking his own attention or that a pastor is seeking praise wrongly? I'm hesitant to criticize a man of God, but I think the question is worth considering.


To God be the Glory~

The Busy Month of December

I wish I could figure out how to reduce the busyness of December. There are mid-terms, regular classes, church functions, ministries, gifts to buy, gifts to make and deliver, regular dental or doctor appointments, car inspections, children's activities, visits to make or prepare for, decorating to do, cards to buy and mail, and of course still there is laundry, cleaning, sleeping, and food preparation for every day living. Each year gets busier and busier. As kids age, life gets busier and busier. I had no idea this is how the pace would get. 

If I think of reducing what I do, it won't feel like Christmas though. It is a strange paradox. 

In the midst of it all, my friend is dealing with cancer and another health problem that is giving her terrible pain. This puts life in perspective.

No matter how busy we are, isn't it true that when someone who has poured in to us, or our kids, needs help, we find time? 

Something I've learned this past year is that since time is so precious, spending it carefully makes good sense when it comes to the emotional and physical effort. Friendship takes work. I'm not on Facebook because its easy, surfacey relationships make me feel worse, not better. I don't want to be friends with someone who only has time for me if I'm on their virtual platform, nor do I want to know all the difficulties going on with every person I've ever met. I don't have the emotional time or energy to pray for THAT many people. And I surely don't want to get callous to the needs of other people, which I know happens with information overload. I also get too worked up knowing more details about people because of the way online living works, things I wouldn't know if our interactions were simply in person. 

What I love and want to spend time on are people who invest in me the same way I invest in them. I've seen that some people really make the effort and take the time to be friends, while others come and go for no reason at all. The problem with inconsistency is that troubles come and go, too, and those who are regularly there through them end up being close friends.  Consistency builds lasting, strong relationships.


Hard News

This past weekend was spent waiting to hear back on a biopsy report for one of my closest friends. Today she called and the news was not what any of us wanted.

Breast cancer.

One in six women her age get it. ONE in SIX.

Immediately the mind starts racing with all the details of others who have struggled with this...stay positive, be encouraging, even if it is cured it will likely come back, life is never going to be the same...

I've lost a parent to cancer as well as more distant family members and an acquaintance not that much older than me. I've had a parent survive cancer. An old friend's mother had it and we tried to do what we could to be supportive. It looks different for everyone, but one thing is the same, it is tiring. It is emotionally and physically draining. It is a marathon, not a sprint.

When you have a close loved one with cancer, it isn't just their journey. It is yours, too.

This time it isn't just me sharing in the pain, it is also my oldest daughter. Her closest friend outside her sister is my friend's daughter.

Please pray for my friend and for us to be able to be a help.

Pre Tribulation Rapture

Dear Beloved in Messiah,

Satan loves to rob believers of their "blessed hope."


"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13

The believer's hope is the return of the Lord. He is coming for His bride, born again believers, prior to the 70th week of Daniel (chapter 9:24-27), what is commonly called the Tribulation Period.

Believers in the pre-trib rapture, such as J.A.M. personnel, embrace this position because of what the Bible has to say on this subject.


There has been another attack on the pre-trib rapture in he form of a DVD.  In a response to the claims of this video the following was penned:

 
    "A new DVD documentary has just been released by Good Fight Ministries entitled,  'Left Behind or Led Astray?  Examining the Origins of the Secret Pre-Tribulation Rapture.' Good Fight  Ministries is run by post-tribulationist Joe Schimmel, the senior pastor  at Blessed Hope Chapel in Simi Valley, California. Schimmel’s documentary is endorsed by evangelist  Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron, star of the original 'Left Behind' movies. The following write-up appears on the back cover:  'Take a fascinating journey with us as we examine the shocking origins of the secret, pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. Featuring expert  commentary from David M. Bennett, Dr. Mark Patterson, Jacob Prasch, Joel Richardson, and Dave MacPherson.'  
    "The truth of the matter is that the 4½  hour film seriously distorts the historical evidence and is full of false accusations, unsubstantiated myths, and lies."


Dave Hocking, founder and director of Hope for Today ministry, comments:

"The anger and  hostility evidenced in the writings and messages of these men is not only revealing, but exposing them. The truth of I Thessalonians 4:13-­‐18, along with I Thessalonians 5:1-­‐9 is overwhelming in its support of pre-tribulationalism. It is time to stop the bitterness and to learn the grace and love of our Lord in speaking of Biblical truth. Our viewpoints do NOT authenticate Biblical truth – It is the BIBLE, the whole BIBLE, and nothing but the BIBLE – it is God’s infallible and inspired word!"

Satan is using men like Schimmel to try to steal the joy of the pre-trib rapture from the believer. Don't let it happen!!!

For an excellent rebuttal of the claims (lies and distortions) in this video please read the rebuttal by clicking the link. The content of the rebuttal will also help solidify your understanding that the belief in the pre-trib rapture is based on Scripture alone, and not any man's teachings. Unfortunately, the enemies of the pre-trib rapture all too often use discredited and erroneous historical arguments against the pre-trib rapture. This is a sad commentary on the credibility and ethics of men like Schimmel.


http://www.jewishawareness.org/wp-content/uploads/Left-Behind-or-Led-Astray-full-rebuttal.pdf

In His grace,
Mark Robinson


 
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